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RANELAGH HARRIERS E-NEWS # 393 18 January 2013
Editor: Steve Rowland
mailto: steverowland@ranelagh-harriers.com
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HEADLINE NEWS
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* Ranelagh men finish 5th in the Surrey League and move up to 6th overall
* Ralph Street and debutant Eirin McDaid lead our team
* Ranelagh women finish 20th in the Surrey League and slip to 15th overall
* Becky Hall and Marie Synnott-Wells lead our team
* Estelle Damant and Carl Selya-Hammer are our leading finishers in the
Surrey Champs
* Mark Herbert and Michelle Davies are our first finishers in the Windsor
MABAC
* parkrun placings for Marc Snaith, Duncan Mallison, Mel Hunter, Trevor
Maguire and Sean Paynter
ATTENTION PLEASE
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MIKE ROWLAND
Many thanks for all the kind messages via e-mail and Facebook following
Mike's death on December 27th. The funeral is to take place at 11am on
Friday 25th January at Mitcham Parish Church (St Peter and St Paul), Church
Road, Mitcham CR4 3BN, following which there will be a private cremation
service. All are welcome at the Church and afterwards at the nearby Parish
Centre. Family flowers only, donations to WaterAid.
INTER-CLUB at the BANK OF ENGLAND
This Saturday's race (January 19th) has been cancelled, due to poor travel
conditions.
BAKER CUP
It has been pointed out that the date originally fixed for our Baker Cup
handicap and prize presentations supper - March 30th - is Easter Saturday.
It has been agreed therefore that we will put the race and the supper back
one week to Saturday April 6th.
RICHMOND HALF MARATHON and RICHMOND 13.1
Our own Half Marathon to be held on May 5th has once again been a victim of
its own success with the entry limit reached before Christmas. If you missed
out on entering, there will be a small number of additional club places
available - reply to this e-news if you're interested. Our friend Richard
Xerri of the Perseverance Clinic in Richmond is organising another Richmond
Half Marathon - which he is calling the Richmond 13.1 to avoid confusion -
to be held on Easter Sunday 31st March. Details:.
MCLEOD CUP & WOMEN'S PERFORMANCE AWARD
The McLeod Cup - for points scored in most club cross-country events - is
currently being led by Steve Rowland on 684 points, but it's a close-run
thing. Breathing down Steve's neck are Chris Camacho (675), Andy Woodhouse
(666), Trevor Maguire (653) and Ben Shore (650). The full scoreboard is here:.
The awkwardly-named women's equivalent sees Sandra Prosser with a clear lead
on 684 points, ahead of Becky Hall (598) and Sonia Rowland (570). Scoreboard:.
QUIZ NIGHT
Put the date in your diary - our next Quiz Night will be on Saturday 2nd
March in the clubhouse.
SWLAN NEWS
Kate Brook sends the latest news:
"St Mary's EPACC/England Athletics Workshops 2012-2013
As part of the on-going support of London Virgin Marathon and England
Athletics, St Mary's EPACC invites coaches and athletes to the Marathon
workshop being delivered on Saturday 19th January 2013.
Timetable for the day is as follows:
9.45am Meet in room G7
10.15am Training session for athletes of all levels at Lensbury
Sports Ground (1 mile from St Mary's) led by International Coach Mick Woods
and Martin McCarthy (2h 11 for the marathon)
12.00pm Lunch
1.00pm Presentation from Olympian Mara Yamauchi and Dr Charles
Pedlar (EPACC physiologist) on Mara's career and coaching tips for training
and race tactics. This will also include mental preparation, nutrition,
rest and recovery.
2.30pm Close
If you wish to attend please contact England Athletics mentor Neville Taylor
on 01403 790800 or 07841 504498. Email nhtassociates@btinternet.com or
ntaylor@englandathletics.org
Andy Robinson of Kingston & Poly sends details of their latest training talk
at David Lloyd Leisure, Raynes Park:
"K&P Talk: Marathon Training - Lessons from the 1980s Monday 21st January
at 7pm
This free talk, chaired by Wimbledon parkrun director Ian Higgins, brings
together sub-2:10 marathon legend John Graham, and Belgrave's Gabrielle
Collison, author of 'British Marathon Legends of the 1980s'. A must for
everyone with an interest in the marathon. Please spread the word - it
should be highly entertaining and informative!
Full details and a signup link:."
JUNIOR COACHING...
...continues at 6pm on Tuesday evenings from the clubhouse. All under 17s
welcome.
Follow Ranelagh on Facebook.
WHAT'S COMING
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More details of the following from Marc Snaith (07717 213035 / e-mail Marc and Chris
ranelagh.men@gmail.com or e-mail Estelle and Phil ranelagh.women@gmail.com
Saturday 19th January Inter-club v Bank of England and others in
Richmond Park (Roehampton Gate). 2.30pm start.
Saturday 26th January South of England Cross-Country
Championships at Parliament Hill
Saturday 9th February Final Surrey League races - men at
Coulsdon (3pm start), women at Denbies, Dorking (12 noon start).
Saturday 16th February Final Mob Match of the season - away to
Blackheath & Bromley HAC at Hayes, Kent. 2.30pm start.
parkruns every Saturday at 9am
Bushy Park Diana Fountain car park
Richmond Park Richmond Gate
Wimbledon Common Windmill car park
Banstead Woods Car park off B2219 Park Lane, Chipstead
Bedfont Lakes Bedfont Lakes Country Park, Ashford,
Middlesex
Kingston The Hawker Centre
Old Deer Park Pools in the Park on the A316
Crane Park Near the Hospital Bridge Roundabout
on the A316 in Twickenham
Other venues, more details and registration at www.parkrun.com
2km junior parkruns for under 14s take place on the first Sunday of each
month from Bushy Park's Teddington Gate (11am start) and from Savill Garden
car park, Windsor Great Park (9.30am start).
WHAT'S HAPPENED
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2XU SURREY CROSS-COUNTRY LEAGUE Division 1 Saturday 12th January at Ham
Lands
There had been a two months gap between the second and third Surrey League
races, plenty long enough for us to dwell on the peril we found ourselves in
after the first two races. We stood in seventh place out of the nine
Division 1 teams, only 24 points clear of Stragglers who occupied the first
relegation spot. However, Captain Marc was very bullish about our prospects
for a much stronger team and a better result this time, notwithstanding
Stragglers' home course advantage. At first glance Marc's optimism might
have appeared misplaced as we were missing our first and third scorers from
the last race, Sam Perkins and Jackson Creegan. But instead we had our
secret weapon in Ralph Street, a surprise package in Eirin McDaid and some
subtle improvements all the way down the list. Marc takes up the story:
"Tide has turned in our favour
Well done guys, our best result of the season and a bit more distance
between us and the drop. Also there is now the unforeseen bonus that the two
horse race to avoid relegation has an additional rider as South London
Harriers had a shocker and now occupy 7th position. Fifth on the day and up
one spot to sixth overall puts us in an excellent position to remain in this
division for next season but we need another strong performance because
South London are hosting the final fixture and The Stragglers can make up
the gap if we lose, and cannot replace, one top performer.
Individual performances of note
Ralph was last seen 20m clear of the pack at the peak of the opening climb
at last year's National XC and has since been hiding away in Sweden. His
form was an unknown although there was a rumour he was in good shape but his
top five finish shocked everyone except Ralph who was disappointed not to
have run quicker. We might need to carry out some arm bending to persuade
Ralph to delay his return to Sweden until the day after the final fixture (9
Feb). Eirin made his club debut with an excellent 26th place and will be
eyeing a top twenty spot in the next fixture whilst it was a very welcome
return to the team for Peter Haarer whose 41st position provided valuable
points. There were rumours that Ed Barker had managed one or two runs over
Christmas and we were rewarded with his best club performance for a few
years. Final mention goes to Lars whose hard work on Tuesday nights has been
rewarded with a debut in the scoring team.
B Team is best
The B Team - first and last scorers Ted Mockett and Stewart Anderson - were
very strong and comfortably beat The Stragglers 1317 v 1454. That gives us a
lead of 4147 to 4403 with one race to go but failure to fill a B Team will
give The Stragglers a chance.
Great running all in what was a very unusual course! Now we need everyone to
put 9 Feb into their diaries and make sure that the hard work we have put in
since October isn't wasted!!!!"
Phil Killingley adds:
"RANELAGH MOVE TO TOP OF DIVISION 1!
OK, OK, so before you call me delusional, I admit that I'm using a slightly
different measure to the one that gets put on the results sheet. But as the
Olympics showed us last summer, life isn't always about coming first, and
one of the most enjoyable aspects of yesterday was seeing 31 people turn out
in Ranelagh colours, and at an away fixture. Well, Ham Lands isn't that far
away from our clubhouse, but you get the picture.
So I decided to do a bit of counting, and came up with a league table for
number of participants in the Surrey League Div 1 so far this season. See
below. We managed a relatively paltry 17 in the first fixture, and leaped
into third with 27 in the second match. But yesterday's 31 runners meant
that we overtook Stragglers and Herne Hill to move into a comfortable first
place. Phenomenal effort, fellow Harriers! With a good turnout at the final
fixture, we will pick up the trophy. I think this means that people are
enjoying their running, and that the club is thriving. But I don't think
it's any coincidence that when we get lots of people out, we also do well at
the top end of the field, and in the second ten match v the Stragglers. If
things keep going this way, next year we're going to need to introduce a
third ten competition, although I'm not sure yet which teams will be able to
compete against us. It's also nice to see so many people in the pub after
the race.
Ranelagh 17 27 31 75
Herne Hill 19 27 22 68
Stragglers 17 29 21 67
Hercules Wimbledon 21 21 21 63
South London 19 22 18 59
Thames H&H 18 20 18 56
Kent 17 17 21 55
Reigate Priory 14 16 18 48
Belgrave 10 12 9 31
But there was one unique aspect of this race that we have not yet touched
on. Here's Chris Owens's report for his Triathlon club:
"Ham Lands is the area between Ham House and the river. The course included
a nice field (= one with grass on it) a ditch to jump - while negotiating a
right angled bend onto a footpath lined with hawthorn bushes, some nice mud
(=over your shoes but not your ankles) and a good bit of the stony Thames
towpath crossed by a few concrete footpaths (great for those in spikes - at
least 9mm if not 12mm recommended). The course was a "frying pan" shape -
out from the start, a loop twice, back down the "handle" to the finish. The
description so far is of the handle - then the fun really started. Speeds
range down from 5mins/mile at the front, with your correspondent at
6.5mins/mile back in 122nd place. For this I blame the swim. You might not
expect a swim in a cross country race - well neither did we, dear reader.
Having negotiated the start, the mud, the ditch jumping and clattered down
the rocky towpath, we had covered half the loop when some rather long
puddles could be seen in the distance. As they got nearer, we could see the
field (the leaders had long vanished from sight - see speeds above) was
making good progress through the puddles, but they were almost knee deep.
Well, this can be done, so we duly splashed in and out the other side after
about 50m. Puddles are not very warm in January, cue trying to run 6min
miling while not being able to feel your feet - nor your ankles, nor your
calves. Looking down helps - you can then point your feet in the right
direction, more or less. After two or three hundred metres a thaw sets in
and things improve - you can concentrate on where the mud is less than ankle
deep (yes, at this point there was BAD mud) and hope your spikes still have
grip. So the pack ploughed on (literally), and eventually the puddles
appeared for the second time. As we were all focused on other things - like
keeping up with the guy in front - it took 15 or 20secs to realise that
something was different. The "puddles" were much longer - more like 200m
than 50 - and as we galloped on we began to realise they were MUCH deeper -
knee deep or higher. Looking down again, since communication with the lower
regions was rapidly being lost, I noticed that the water seemed to be
flowing from left to right - and it was. That part of Ham is used to buffer
the Thames when heavy rain falls, and the tide was coming in! The leaders
travelled fast enough to miss much of the fun, but for me there was good
evidence that when your quads are frozen solid the engine shuts down - a gap
opened between me and my stork-like competitors. The last mile was an
interesting scramble back - via the mud, the bushes, the ditch and some more
mud while hoping communications were being restored to the engine room (this
happened eventually - got one guy with 50m to go - result!). "
Peter Fordham provides the view from the back:
"Run.... Swim... Run...Swim...Run at Ham Water
Something was clearly going on as The Stragglers arrived at the start
dressed in wetsuits, snorkel and flippers for their home match in the
Division 1 Surrey League series. Were they caught out on time after a cross
training session on the nearby river? It soon became clear, as the river
began to seep through the floodplain with water at calf length for the back
markers on the first lap, and well over the knees and covering four times
the area on the second. It only needed a third lap and we could have had the
worst peacetime water incident since the Titanic. Fortunately, Ranelagh had
brought their best swimmers along, and achieved an excellent result overall
and against the better equipped Stragglers.
The Ranelagh elite down to the appropriately named Ben Shore were safely
back on dry land before the worst of the conditions. Amongst the early
finishers was Captain Marc, who was enjoying his post race cocoa, having
'abandoned ship' while Ranelagh veterans were still flapping around in the
water. He claimed to be managing the rescue operation from ashore (I've
heard that one before). Fortunately, 31 Ranelagh runners were counted out
and 31 counted in. At the back, the also appropriately named Tomas Sterner
was rudderless, Peter crossed a ford to reach Ham, and President Steve
predictably rowed to land. All were narrowly beaten by Peter Dry of The
Stragglers.
Future entries for the Surrey League are now required to prove to Captain
Marc that they can swim 300 metres against the clock....see you all at Pools
On The Park next Tuesday. Final message to The Stragglers ... next time
we'll bring our bikes along, then we can make a real event of it!"
SURREY LADIES CROSS-COUNTRY LEAGUE Division 1 Saturday 12th January at
Mitcham Common
The general enthusiasm for the Surrey League that has so effectively
permeated the men's team this season has failed as yet to spread throughout
our women's squad. With Captain Estelle having to work and two or three
others laid low with viruses we mustered only four runners on the starting
line, with five required for the team. Consequently we had to count a "ghost
runner" and our team finished well down the list. Overall, we still have two
teams behind us, but with three to be relegated we would have to gain over a
hundred points on Woking in the final race on February 9th to avoid the
drop. It's a tough ask, but we actually beat them by almost 80 today, so
it's not an impossibility. If we do go down we must see it as an opportunity
to rebuild and regroup and make sure that we bounce straight back.
Individually Becky Hall was first home of our gallant quartet, just ahead of
Marie Synnott-Wells, with Sandra Prosser and Kate Brook following up. Livvy
Ricketts flew the flag for us in the Under 13s race.
SURREY CROSS-COUNTRY CHAMPIONSHIPS Saturday 5th January at Lloyd Park
The Surrey Championships at a muddy Lloyd Park were low priority this season
and we had little more than token representation. There were some good
performances, however, particularly from Estelle Damant whose 11th place
will probably leave her just outside the Surrey squad for the
Inter-Counties. Becky Hall was inside her target at 40th and Sandra Prosser
was 68th. Livvy Ricketts also finished 40th in her Under 13s race.
In the men's event, Carl Selya-Hammer was our first home in 44th spot, ahead
of Mark Herbert, Matt Copp, Duncan Mallison, John Ricketts and Rob Curtis.
Our scratch team finished 15th.
MABAC LEAGUE 8 miles road Sunday 13th January in Windsor Great Park
Bev Ali reports:
"Sunday was the annual MABAC Windsor run - 8 miles on the road with a
shorter 4 miles option for juniors or those not ready for 8. It was COLD,
but the sun shone, and Windsor Great Park lived up to its name...very
beautiful (somewhat frosty) scenery and lots of friendly walkers. I
personally had a very sociable run rather than a race, as you can tell from
the results but we also had some good performances from those of a more
competitive nature and several new participants which is good to see. There
was the usual well organised officiating, thanks to Ken Saunders and MAGIC,
to Jenny for the quick turnaround of results and to the Crown Estate for
allowing us to run in such a great location. Unusually, parking was a bit
of a nightmare, and we are not sure what was happening with the official in
charge. We would have thought that it would have been easier because of the
earlier start of 10 am, but ???? Hopefully it will be sorted by next year.
Perhaps there were just more people using the park because it had stopped
raining for 24 hours! As an aside, please all be aware that future MABAC
runs have returned to the later start time of 11 am as voted at the AGM."
1 D Cairnie (Runnymede) 45.25
7 Mark Herbert 49.19
16 Ian Kenton 50.30
66 Michelle Davies 57.29
149 Tom Reay 67.27
156 Helen Nance 69.04
161 Oliver Bheemul 70.09
168 Lorraine Clifton 71.04
181 Kirstin Luksch 73.19
189 Ally Salisbury 75.01
190 Hannah Doyle 75.02
191 Ian Wilson 75.05
207 Stacey Barber 77.41
208 James Barber 77.42
213 Christine David 80.44
221 Penny Merrett 86.57
224 Deirdre Inman 89.55
225 Cindy Croucher 89.55
228 Bev Ali 99.35
4 miles
1 P Foot (Runnymede) 28.30
11 Lynne Barber 38.11
NEW YEAR'S DAY 10km Tuesday 1st January in Hyde Park
In addition to those listed in the last e-news, Wally Garrod finished in
474th place in 62.06 (chip time 61.56) and was the first over 75 home. Pete
Warren was the leading over 70.
TADWORTH 10 miles Sunday 6th January
1 K Lennard (SLH) 58.33
383 Roger Wilson 90.59
601 Penny Merrett 120.40
608 Bev Ali 127.48
CLIVEDEN 6 miles cross-country Sunday 6th January at Taplow
Sharon Dooley writes on Facebook:
"Massive course PB. It felt so good I wondered whose body I was running in
and recovered from the second climb up the 172 steps from the river to
overtake a few people with a nice strong kick."
1 M Hiscott (Maid) 36.31 (chip time 36.31)
260 Sharon Dooley 57.21 (57.03)
RAVENS QUARTERLY 5km Thursday 10th January at Wapping
1 J Fairs (Serp) 16.34
29 Chris Read 21.02
35 Andy Hayward 22.50
36 Alan Davidson 23.24
FRIMLEY LODGE parkrun 5km Tuesday 1st January
1 M Greenwood (AFD) 16.36
108 Gareth Davies 28.21
109 Louise Davies 28.21
HILLY FIELDS parkrun 5km Tuesday 1st January
1 R Ward (Belgrave) 17.43
22 Lynne Barber 28.14
RICHMOND PARK parkrun 5km Saturday 5th January
1 A Jaksevicius (unatt) 17.26
8 Colin Brett 19.05
10 Sean Paynter 19.15
14 Peter Weir 19.25
29 Peter Faull 20.19
38 David Lawley 20.52
43 Michelle Davies 21.20
74 Rachael Holmes 22.21
101 Tomas Sterner 23.34
103 Simon Taylor 23.40
104 Wiebke Kortum 23.42
110 Richard Goddard-Jones 23.47
123 Polly White 26.49
228 Michael Sikora 27.56
265 Annemarie Goodridge 29.40
330 Andrew Brown 34.53
334 Pat Hewlett 35.54
CRANE PARK parkrun 5km Saturday 5th January
Marc Snaith was this week's winner.
1 Marc Snaith 18.14
10 Chris Read 22.17
16 Lewis Emery 23.29
32 Lynne Barber 26.29
36 Ally Salisbury 26.51
37 Heather Martingell 27.11
47 Mary Hickson 27.47
53 Christine David 28.57
63 Tamsin Burland 33.03
65 Deirdre Inman 33.17
66 Cindy Croucher 33.19
BUSHY PARK parkrun 5km Saturday 5th January
All those New Year Resolutions persuaded 1,051 parkrunners out to Bushy Park
today.
1 R Kowenicki (TH&H) 15.48
45 David Rowe 19.50
226 Adam Wright 23.11
842 Kirsty Bangham 30.46
858 Vicci Randle 31.05
958 John Hanscomb 34.07
WIMBLEDON COMMON parkrun 5km Saturday 5th January
1 B Curtis (unatt) 17.43
64 Phil Jackson 22.23
99 Amrut Sharma 23.25
148 Tom Reay 24.48
235 Philippa Kitchen 28.08
236 Rob Kitchen 28.09
243 Stacey Barber 28.24
251 Tony Clark 29.04
KINGSTON parkrun 5km Saturday 5th January
1 D Norman (26.2) 16.51
21 Chris Camacho 21.14
49 Alan Davidson 23.50
OLD DEER PARK parkrun 5km Saturday 5th January
Third places for both Trevor Maguire and Mel Hunter.
1 R Reeder (Strag) 18.39
3 Trevor Maguire 20.10
4 Simon Burrell 20.41
7 Phil Roberts 22.46
16 Mel Hunter 25.58
17 Stewart Anderson 26.02
25 Lorna Smith 27.36
26 Sally Bamford 27.41
32 Deborah Blakemore 31.29
HIGHBURY FIELDS parkrun 5km Saturday 5th January
1 R Walker (Highgate) 17.10
23 Jar O'Brien 23.13
WOODLEY parkrun 5km Saturday 5th January
1 A Stay (R Navy) 17.47
133 Louise Atkinson 28.01
OXFORD parkrun 5km Saturday 5th January
1 J Parkinson (FRA) 17.17
91 Evelyn Joslin 30.19
BEDFONT LAKES parkrun 5km Saturday 5th January
1 G Russell (unatt) 18.33
15 Chris Spink 22.23
ALICE HOLT parkrun 5km Saturday 5th January
1 J Hoad (Camb UOC) 17.59
42 Louise Davies 26.35
BUSHY JUNIORS parkrun 2km Sunday 6th January
1 B Taylor (unatt) 7.48
19 Euan Sinclair 9.13
62 Finlay Sinclair 10.44
130 Eilidh Sinclair 13.05
RICHMOND PARK parkrun 5km Saturday 12th January
Sean Paynter finished third.
1 A Jaksevicius (unatt) 16.54
3 Sean Paynter 18.44
46 Chris Read 21.33
72 Tomas Sterner 22.50
77 Rachael Holmes 23.07
86 Amrut Sharma 23.27
103 Polly White 24.13
176 Wiebke Kortum 26.38
193 Nicholas Fordham 27.54
215 Louise Atkinson 28.44
238 Andrew Brown 29.29
260 Val Lowman 30.40
280 Penny Merrett 32.52
290 Peter Lowman 33.52
311 Bev Ali 37.28
BUSHY PARK parkrun 5km Saturday 12th January
1 Z Curran (WSEH) 16.33
37 David Rowe 20.02
192 Adam Wright 23.02
256 Ian Grange 23.57
363 Rob Kitchen 25.15
457 Philippa Kitchen 26.13
675 Wally Garrod 29.00
806 Sharon Rowe 31.11
807 Kirsty Bangham 31.16
809 Vicci Randle 31.21
930 John Hanscomb 33.51
CRANE PARK parkrun 5km Saturday 12th January
It was Duncan Mallison's turn to win, in exactly the same time as Marc the
previous week..
1 Duncan Mallison 18.14
10 Kevin Kearey 23.08
11 Tom Kearey 23.09
37 Tamsin Burland 27.03
39 Heather Martingell 27.05
45 Mary Hickson 27.42
46 Stacey Barber 27.44
57 Deirdre Inman 31.56
58 Cindy Croucher 32.46
59 Ann Kearey 33.22
OLD DEER PARK parkrun 5km Saturday 12th January
1 R Weston (Serp) 17.36
22 Phil Roberts 23.18
26 Wyn Williams 23.39
47 Mel Hunter 26.33
69 Lorna Smith 29.23
86 Deborah Blakemore 36.53
GUNNERSBURY parkrun 5km Saturday 12th January
1 M Rutter (Stockport) 18.14
22 Phil Jackson 21.25
187 Lexi Slaughter 41.01
188 Waldron Slaughter 41.01
HARROW LODGE parkrun 5km Saturday 12th January
Another new parkrun...
1 D Norman (26.2) 18.48
21 Paul Sinton-Hewitt 23.13
KINGSTON parkrun 5km Saturday 12th January
1 K Quinn (Real R) 16.34
9 Chris Camacho 21.26
OXFORD parkrun 5km Saturday 12th January
1 B Trigg (Erme V) 18.59
74 Evelyn Joslin 28.51
FINALLY...
From Belgrave Harriers' account of Saturday's epic League race (Paskar is
the winner Paskar Owor, a former Ugandan Olympian):
"With the swollen river meeting the incoming tide on the first lap, the
water was lapping over the river bank ankle deep. On the second circuit it
was far worse, up to the knees ... and by the time the tail-enders came
through, the thighs. With the onset of global warming maybe we are going to
have to consult the tide tables and state of the moon before setting start
times for races at Ham Lands. Thank goodness the race started earlier than
normal. Runners were somewhat shocked to have to wade through this, not sure
whether their next footfall in the murky flood-water would take them waist
deep. Paskar, who apparently doesn't swim, had the team in stitches in the
after-race tall-tale competition, telling us to be thankful that this was an
English river and not the Ugandan Kagera: 'If this was Uganda there would be
pythons in there!'"